tothetune | Blog Post: MCR

AWESOME \o/

Damn, I'm such a sucker for vinyl.

huh, but I already own one...? http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=7882

but it's not a picture disc, right? With a picture disc an image is printed onto the vinyl.

picture disk it is! http://i55.tinypic.com/5agd8l.jpg with grace on the opposite side http://i56.tinypic.com/14kcguf.jpg

how weird. Not that you have a picture disc, of course, but that they're offering it as a limited thing for Record Store Day.

it doesn't exactly seem fair if people start purchasing one purely because of it being a limited item, right? although maybe they just meant 2,000 for the USA, and HMV being in the UK, (where I got mine), it might just be an older press. but STILL

The disc is limited to 2,000 copies and will be available in US record stores on April 16th.

It pretty clearly states it's exclusive to the US on a specific day in the text. So in edition to it being a limited run of a certain number, it's only in US stores. Not sure how that's unfair, it's clearly stated why it's called exclusive and limited. It's not sold in the US otherwise.

Sweet that you can get it or could get it at HMV at one point but that's not applicable to this promotion.

But how can it be sold exclusive and limited to 2,000 if you can purchase it elsewhere? Fair enough, I understand that it's not sold anywhere in the US, but plenty of fans buy from abroad. At least that's the way I see it.

Just to add that it can still be bought from HMV, and has no limited run here.

But I get where you're coming from. Limited to 2,000 in the US.

Limited to the US on Record Store Day. It can obviously still be bought in the UK that's why it doesn't say ONLY anywhere in that text.

They wouldn't need to include the word only. Limited implies that it's exactly that, limited.

The only issue being, I personally feel it's untruthful with there being more than 2,000 copies in the world.

I can't see us agreeing, and we're clearly interpreting this differently. I get where you're coming from, but I just don't see it that way.

It's not saying in the world, though at ALL. It's saying 2,000 in the US for Record Store Day. I mean, limited is used pretty clearly in the context IMO. I feel like you're reading 2,000 but not any of the other words in the text.

Feel free to feel lied to or whatever but I think you're really reaching.

It's a US promotion for people wanting to participate in Record Store Day in the US. They pressed 2,000 picture discs solely for this event in the US. It's not a worldwide promotion, it's a US promotion. It will be available exclusively for Record Store Day in the US at participating stores. If that's being disingenuous but it gets people out to record stores, good for them.

They can't feel duped on the price, just the fact they didn't have to go online and pay extra fees for the same thing to get shipped to them from a different country. Boohoo.

I collect vinyl, I love that they're involved in promoting record stores. But if you're collecting vinyl, you don't want to be told there is a limited run of a certain vinyl, regardless of location or price, only to find it's been replicated elsewhere, identically. I may be totally wrong, and they could have numbered sleeves that make this batch unique. The collector's side was the only side of the argument I was defending.

I'm not even fussed, I already own one. I was just bugged for other fans.

You're assuming I don't collect vinyl and don't care about those same exact things. But you know what, I'm going to give fans the benefit of the doubt and being able to read what it says. It's something for US fans and for this event and an opportunity to purchase it in store. If you're a collector and you're collecting for exclusivity chances are you shop overseas at HMV and already own it. If you're not, it's the opportunity to go out to a record store and explore the opportunity and purchase something just because you love it.

And yes, you don't know if this run is different or not, it doesn't indicate that anywhere.

Email Warner if it's something that is really bothering you and you want it clarified or the text changed. Otherwise, being bothered solely on the behalf of other fans seems pointless and silly.

If people have a question on the run or any of the language involved, they can certainly ask or look around to see especially if they're a collector. The promotion isn't even until April, plenty of time to mark it, forget about it, research it, chat about it, or whatever. It's not something anyone is going to go out and purchase at a record store tomorrow. But to me, the text seems very clear and seeing as the picture disc HAS been on sale in the UK and Canada for quite some time, it doesn't seem likely that 2,000 fans are going to be duped, especially fans that read and comment on MCR's website.

The wording seems really clear to me personally, it's now being sold in the US for this promotion. It doesn't indicate that it isn't sold in other countries, it's just sold for a limited run in the US. You say you're bugged on the behalf of other fans but...I think fans can make their own decisions and collectors DOUBLY so. But posting the link and information about where else you can purchase it could help other fans out as well, they've got plenty of time to read up on it and follow links.

I'm not bugged! I just took it as there are 2000 available for this specific promotion, which is always intended to get people physically into record stores. I figured I could get one online somewhere either before or after, but I'm happier to get one at my local vinyl shop.

We still disagree but I obviously came on much too strong for something not such a big deal. I tend to get very involved in arguing my side which is absolutely a fault of mine. I just wanted to apologize for that and for anything I said that upset you.

Not so much upset, just taken aback on how it turned into something so fallacious. But hey, life would be dull if we all just agreed with each other! Thank you for apologising, I know I can be quite frustrating, I find it hard to explain my view point.

And to everyone else, I'm sorry that you became involved.

Exclusive and limited in the US on Record Store Day at participating locations, it even gives the link. I mean...it's really super clear what the specifications are for it. It doesn't say ONLY in the US, it just indicates it's a limited run for this event.

Yes, it's sold in the UK but a lot of people are not going to buy and pay for shipping from the UK for a 6 dollar disc, so it's a good opportunity for those in the US. I don't see what the issue is.

Record Store day exclusives are sold on the days following RSD as well, should they still be in stock. The important bit is that they're exclusive to local record stores, not that they're one day only.

It doesn't say "this picture disc is limited to 2,000 copies in the US," it says "This picture disc is limited to 2,000 copies, and you can buy it in the US at record stores on April 16th." You could make it mean what you say it clearly states, but you'd have to squint and ignore logical sentence structure.

I don't believe this is the band being duplicitous or trying to make a quick buck by duping their fans. I doubt they were involved in coming up with the copy at all. And I think that it's awesome that they're releasing something for Record Store Day. (Go local record stores!) It just seems like a weird marketing choice to call it an exclusive when it's not. I mean, maybe the sleeve will mention that it's a pressing specially made for RSD, and then everything would be cool. As it currently stands I'm sticking with strange marketing decision that's misleading.

And none of this means that I don't think the picture vinyl is SUPER COOL and am excited that it's going to be available in the US, because it totally is and I totally am.

There is so much splitting hairs right now. Seriously. As you say, in no way does it seem like they're trying to dupe someone so what is it with this thread? I absolutely did not have to squint to read it the way I did.

It says it's limited to 2,000 copies in US record stores to commemorate Record Store Day. Nowhere does it say it's limited in the world, it's ONLY sold in the US or anything of that nature. It's to commemorate an event in US record stores and so they're releasing it there (limited copies sold in the US). That's all it says. It's an exclusive run of 2,000 copies in the US. I mean...what is unclear about that?

All this handwringing over what should be a pretty fun event is so ridiculous.

so I was stressing over how to word my reply but I'm just going to agree with

anna_unfolding downthread and add that I think it sucks that 5 (I think it's 5, it's hard to tell with all the anon) people jumped on one person's comment to tell them how wrong they are, ESPECIALLY when they weren't being rude or accusatory and when the copy uses ambiguous language.

When someone claims to be upset on behalf of some hypothetical duped fans, I'm going to step in and air my own viewpoint and I'm going to debate. I wasn't rude, I was honest and I questioned their points.

You think it's using ambiguous language, I do not think so and apparently a few other people agree. If it's not a big issue, then why don't we all just agree to disagree and argue about it a month and a half from now when the event actually happens.

I feel like I was very reasonable in my replies and I didn't see any personal attacks. I disagreed so I said so.

...but it IS exclusive. It's exclusive for a US promotion. Seriously. It is. It's a limited run in the US for Record Store Day. It doesn't indicate the world and it doesn't address the world buying market because it's a US promotion.

I'm so confused by this argument, genuinely.

Just...whatever. Either people will go buy it and be horrified to find there aren't ONLY 2,000 COPIES IN THE WORLD or they'll forget about this entirely because it isn't till April or they'll buy it because they want it and find shit in a local record store. I'm going to bed.

It doesn't say it's the only place you can purchase it in the world, it's just talking about the US. It says it's a limited and exclusive pressing of 2,000 discs exclusively for Record Store Day in the US. If someone wanted to buy it at another time, they could have searched for it this whole time and paid for extra shipping and handling from the UK and if they miss out on this it's still available. But if not, this is a good opportunity to buy it at a much cheaper price.

It's a much better deal for the buyer outside the UK and UK buyers most likely already know about this because it's sold and has been sold at a major retailer for a long time so it doesn't seem like much of an issue at all. It's a very US centric promotion and therefore that's where the focus of the text and information is.

Edited 2011-03-01 03:09 (UTC)

It doesn't seem like

goaskjesus was all that bent out of shape about this. Look at her (his?) early comments. She acknowledges that it says in the US, but it also says it's limited to 2,000, and they must have meant it was 2,000 in the U.S., even though it read to her like they were saying there will be 2,000 of these printed, period. [shrug] She acknowledged what it is they must have meant.

For the record, (I didn't plan that, honest!) I think the language reads like there are 2,000 of these records about to be released, and the promotion is in the U.S. When that is actually not the case; the promotion is in the US, but they already released these exact records, and there are way more than 2,000 out there. Of course, anyone who cares about having one of 2,000 records will find this out on their own as soon as they do a quick due diligence search. But yeah, I can completely see why goaskjesus was confused (not pissed, not angry at the band, not accusatory...) by the language of "will be releasing" and "the disc is limited to 2,000 copies...." Not, this promotion is limited to 2,000 copies, or however they could have said it that imo would have been clearer.

It isn't a big deal, and people will figure it out, and when they do, they might be a little [furrowed brow] about it, is all.

...the person clearly says they are bugged on behalf of all those poor unfortunate souls who will be duped into buying this LIMITED EXCLUSIVE US ONLY DISC!!!

It doesn't say you can buy it all over the world because it's a US promotion and further it's a promotion that wants to get you out to a record store IN APRIL. A month and a half from now.

They're releasing it NOW in the US. Which is what is says.

She tried twice to say "let's agree to disagree," and even said "I see your point." She never did any hand-wringing. She said, after being pressed when she tried to agree to disagree (twice), that she was not fussed about it, but bugged for the other fans. Her wording and tone weren't dramatic or pissed at the band or even all that irritated. I happened to agree with her read of the sentence, and you didn't, and I am okay with that.

I just don't appreciate her being portrayed as a dramatic, hand-wringing, killjoy (in the original sense, natch) when that was never her tone. She never up in arms over it or upset at anything.

You know what? They could have stopped replying as well, they were certainly not pressed to respond back. People asked questions, refuted points in a pretty damn reasonable manner. I was pretty obviously being sarcastic with the caps.

If people don't want to debate, then they don't need to respond. End of story.

And you could have stopped multi replying over the page and trying to brow beat people into agreeing with you too. All of your comments reek of defensive Warner!wifing and perhaps you need to spend less time telling people that they're wrong and spend more time working out why it is that you take every single comment as an attack on the band.

IAWTMFC.

Warner!wife? LOLOLOL sorry I know you accused me of other stuff but just LOLOLOLOL. Yes I loveeeeeee Warner. The rest of your comment is too ridiculous to acknowledge :D

Replying to myself, but I DO apologize for coming on strong and carrying on for so long, that was uncool and unnecessary of me. I certainly did not intend to hurt anyone. I'll apologize to the original commenter.

Intentional or not, SOME people will buy a copy of this disc, with the belief they are buying something that is one in two thousand, which will not actually be the case. Thats the point goaskjesus was making, I don't know why some people got so tetchy about her/him bringing it up.

Jesus this isn't BL/ind people, we'ere allowed to question/be confused; mcr and warner make mistakes, it should be fine to bring up a fair point without being attacked for it.

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